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teaberryblue ([personal profile] teaberryblue) wrote2010-06-15 06:01 pm
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Open Letter to the Men of the World (or at least New York)

Dear guys,

I know most of the people reading this aren’t this kind of guy, because I make an effort only to associate with the kind of guy who isn’t an asshole. But I figure it’s still useful for y’all to know what a fairly large portion of your gender likes to put women through.

To the rest of you, I do not leave my house for the sole purpose of giving you something to ogle. I do not get dressed in the morning to please strange men I don’t know. Hell, I don’t even get dressed to please any men I do know. I get dressed for me.

To the rest of you, my entry into your workplace or the place in which you shop does not signal my interest in being ogled, or better yet, my interest in putting up with lewd comments from you. My proximity to you does not mean I am inviting your commentary on my hair, my manner of dress, or my looks.

To the rest of you, as much as you might fantasize about being a sports announcer, you can get through the five minutes in which an attractive woman is in our presence without offering narration.

To the rest of you, fooling a woman into conversing with you so that you can segue into verbally objectifying her by asking her for the time, or directions, or any other inane question isn’t clever or cute. It’s harrassing and insulting.

To the rest of you, when I tell you that your presence following me on the street or in the grocery store is unwelcome, you are not the victim.

To the rest of you, don’t even try to claim you meant it as a compliment, because you damn well know it isn’t.

To the rest of you, for once in my life, I would like to manage to get through a week without having at least one of you think that you are entitled to force your way into my life, to intrude on my personal business, to make me feel uncomfortable in a place that has been, up until that point, part of my daily routine. For once in my life, I would like to not have future visits to a place colored by a negative interaction. For once in my life, I would like not to worry that you might be a regular customer, too, that I might have to interact with you in the future, that even if you don’t open your mouth this time, you might try to follow me around the store, or just give me pointed looks when I have to get something from the shelf next to where you are standing, not shopping, staring at the women walking by.

To the rest of you, the next time you speak to me this way in your place of work, please immediately inform your manager that you have lost them a customer. And you’ve probably lost them other customers, who aren’t me, and who don’t tell you to your face that you’re being a sexist ass.

To those of you who are not part of that group, thank you for taking action when I tell you there’s a problem in your store. Thank you for making me feel like if I do go back there and something happens again, someone will do something about it. Keep doing that. Better yet, take action when you see it happening, or hear it happening, don’t wait until I come to you to complain. Even if it’s not your workplace, say something. Get a manager. Make sure those men who are hurting your reputation as men don’t see silence as approval.

To all of you, when one man does this, it hurts all of you, because we women have to be more suspicious, more protective, and less friendly with strangers we meet. Some awesome woman might ignore your earnest request for directions, or your earnest compliment, because she’s fed up with those of you to whom this letter is directed. We have to be less kind, less patient, less open, just to get through the day without feeling as if our personal space is being invaded. I don’t want to live that way, and I’m sure you don’t, either.

Love,

Tea

Mirrored from Antagonia.net.

[identity profile] oneonthefence.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't get out much now because of being sick, but damn - I wish I could wear this post as a shirt (because when I do get out, I still feel this way - hell, people have tried to pick me up in several doctor's offices, or while getting blood work). This kind of shit should NOT happen, and yet does all the time. It's uncalled for. I'm so glad not every man that I (or you) know is like this, but none of them should HAVE to act in such a manner. It's not attractive.

Good for you for posting these things. I know you did it for you, but I so relate, and am glad you wrote this.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, it wasn't just for me. I feel like the best thing I can do when things like this happen is to verbalize my feelings about it, because reading something like this might help someone else.

And ew, in doctor's offices! What the hell!

[identity profile] oneonthefence.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point. That's why I don't shy away from talking about rape or assault; I figure that if my words can help someone else come to terms with her/his experiences, or can finally allow her/him to open up, it was more than worth it.

And yeah. In doctor's offices. Once by a male nurse. I'm pretty much practically dying from about 8 disorders, pale as a ghost, and don't bother to do a damn thing (make-up, hair, nice clothes, ANYTHING to draw attention to myself - and I don't really do that for guys anymore. If I dress up, I do it to make ME feel better...), and I still get followed around and hit on. It's sickening (no pun intended).

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Ewww. What a creeper! I feel the same-- I get dressed up for me, because it is fun, not to entertain random strangers on the street.

And yeah, I feel like when there is a lot of negative energy in my life, the best thing I can do is try to turn it into something positive.

[identity profile] liret.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh.

I really don't understand why so many guys think hassling strange women is entertaining, but I hate that one jerk can at least temporarily, totally ruin my goodwill towards the world.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
At least he wasn't trying to touch my hair this time?

[identity profile] baxaphobia.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Ugh! No. Let me rephrase. Major ugh! Hugs

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you! It's ok, I can take care of myself...the trouble is, I shouldn't HAVE to think about taking care of myself.

[identity profile] baxaphobia.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Being harrassed because you are a woman just shouldn't happen. being harrassed because I am a woman and blind shouldn't happen. And it's a sad commentary on society when we have to be defensive and have to defend things that just shouldn't need defending.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes and yes. It's even worse when you have to explain to other people why you're defending it, which I imagine you have to do more than I do.

[identity profile] baxaphobia.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Some things don't deserve explanations. They just should be givens.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, exactly. <3

[identity profile] cheshire23.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
It's ok, I can take care of myself...the trouble is, I shouldn't HAVE to think about taking care of myself.

Precisely this.

[identity profile] alephz.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:13 pm (UTC)(link)
ILU, Tea.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
ILU Aleph.

[identity profile] evilwildlex.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:15 pm (UTC)(link)
*applauds*

Additionally:

To the men who are not awesome,

No, it's really not a compliment if you walk up to a woman on the street and ask her to go have sex with you right now. It's not flattering when you pester a girl at a club with blatant sexual comments. It's especially not flattering if she tries to let you down gently and say "I have a boyfriend" and you reply with "So? He's not here right now, is he?" It is, in fact, sleazy and gross and an invitation to receive an ass-kicking or for her to call security on you.


To the men who are awesome,

Keep being nice and well mannered and decent human beings. And please tell the not-awesome men to STFU and grow up when they pull stuff like this in your presence.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
IAWTC!

And it's almost just as insulting when the "I have a boyfriend" line works when you can tell it's because they think of you as another man's property!

[identity profile] evilwildlex.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, I'd rather someone like that back off because he thinks I'm another guy's property than persisting and trying to get me to cheat on my boyfriend (who may or may not actually exist at the time). Both are icky and sexist. The second is just...more arrogant to me. Especially when it comes with promises of how much BETTER Sleazy Jerk will be in bed, etc. Or how he'll buy stuff and has a nice car.

Ideally, I'd prefer people to just not be sleazy jerks, but backing off when told "I have a boyfriend" is the lesser of two annoyances in my opinion.

I'm kind of shocked that some guy was being skeezy while he was at work and while you were a customer. Although the biggest OMGWTF were you thinking incident I've ever heard of was this guy who my boss interviewed that wouldn't stop staring at her boobs during the interview. Suffice to say, he was not hired, nor was he called in for a second interview.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, yeah, anything that makes them stop is good, but it's like, really? Really?

This is actually an amalgam of a few recent creepers. There was one who was doing it at work. I got his manager, who was about five years younger than him, if that says anything, and the manager took me very seriously and said he would speak to him (he was on a different floor of the store). The one today was some random dude hanging out in the grocery store, not shopping, just chatting with one of the stock boys. The stock boy he was chatting to did nothing. When I got to the register and explained the problem, the dude at my register and the guy one register over both got incredibly offended on my behalf and the guy next to my register closed his register to go find the manager.

[identity profile] evilwildlex.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm just amazed when people think stuff like that will actually work.

One of the few times I had a stranger attempt to pick me up that was pleasant was just after an interview. I thought I did a pretty good job and had a big smile on my face after, and he started the conversation by smiling, making eye contact, and commenting on my smile. At no point did he say anything crude, he respected my personal space, and just made conversation with me. Unfortunately, I did have a boyfriend at the time (who I was contemplating breaking up with but didn't want to do so via email while he was working crazy long hours) But we did have a pleasant conversation for the entire bus ride because he was just polite and friendly and not even remotely sleazy or gross. And when I said I had a boyfriend, he just kind of went "Oh well, nice talking to you anyhow" and left it at that.

If more guys acted like this and less acted like the creepers, things like the Rejection Hotline would not exist.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I have had a couple experiences like that, which is part of what I was trying to get into in that end paragraph a little. Not everything a guy says to a strange woman is creepy, but if we have to be on our guard, we're more likely to treat a perfectly nice guy as if he's a potential creeper because we don't want to risk encouraging him if he is a creeper. And I don't want to be like that. I really wish I could be friendly with everyone I interact with. I like being friendly. But I've gotten burned dozens of too many times when I've given people the benefit of the doubt.

[identity profile] pachakuti.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I am glad the others there at least did something. I've seen so many examples of the bystander thing when stuff like this happens, wehre people just get quiet and awkward and refuse to step in and help.

I'm sorry! If I was there to hit him in the face, I would.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:21 pm (UTC)(link)
Actually, the bystanders in this particular case did absolutely zilch. But when I went to the register and told one of the guys minding the register, he got the manager and the manager went back to speak to the dude. I didn't stay to see what happened, because I didn't want to be pulled into more uncomfortable shit. But I'm a regular there and they all know me.

[identity profile] skirmish-of-wit.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you seen the publicity Miss D.C. is getting for body-checking a guy who was harassing her on the street? She's using the publicity to speak up against it.

There's also a free online video game in which you play a woman who has to shoot the men who harass her on the street -- I can't remember which blog I saw the post on, but they were quoting a dude who reviewed it and for whom it really affected his perception of cat-calling and street harassment.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I just looked her up! That is pretty darn awesome! Kickass.

And that's really interesting. I don't know if it would help for guys who actively engage in it, but for the guys who don't do it but don't get why it upsets women when it happens, it might be a really good thing.

[identity profile] skirmish-of-wit.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha! Yeah, that's the demographic of the guy who said it was enlightening. His review was interesting, because he was like "of course the game play is shit" but the bulk of his quote was about how much more he understands why street harassment is, in fact, harassment.

The game is not without problems. But here's the review I was talking about: turn out it was from the New York Times.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
That's pretty interesting, and after reading the "problems" column, to be honest, that's way better than I thought. I don't even really see those as problems, because I don't think the target audience is the writer of that column. I would assume a lot of women who deal with that kind of harassment wouldn't want to play that game-- I wouldn't, for certain-- but I don't think that's a flaw of the game if the game can help men see why women don't appreciate street harassment.

[identity profile] tamaraland.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 08:23 am (UTC)(link)
Henry Rollins did a great spoken word bit about 15 years ago on how men can be such pigs and women should be issued guns. He said he could imagine walking down the street and seeing guys haning dead out car windows with blood pouring from their heads, construction workers laid out in the street, hands still on their crotches.

It was pretty funny, in a scary kind of way.

[identity profile] gairid.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 10:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Outstanding post! May I link to this? I think it should be more widely seen.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course you may! Thanks!

[identity profile] gairid.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)
And thank you for such a great post!

[identity profile] spiralstairs.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
As much as the clever catcalling makes me smirk, nothing's better than shutting down some asshole who thinks he has a chance because I have a pussy and a pulse. :) Never gonna happen, sucka.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think I've ever heard a clever catcall. I didn't think the two went together.

[identity profile] spiralstairs.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I got a Waldo one that made me smirk when I was walking around East Village in a striped shirt, but I kept going.

[identity profile] deutscheami.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:13 pm (UTC)(link)
A-FRIGGIN'-MEN.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Hallelujah?

[identity profile] beautyofgrey.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Very nice. I am lucky enough to rarely encounter this sort of behavior.
Edited 2010-06-15 23:30 (UTC)

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-15 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I think living in a pedestrian community makes it that much more frequent, because it happens walking down the street, and on the transit a lot. And because New York is so big, people don't know people, so there's the safety of anonymity for the douchebags who engage in it.

I saw your comment pre-edit and if I remember correctly from your intro post, I think I'm older than you. :-P

[identity profile] drjeff.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 02:30 am (UTC)(link)
think that you are entitled to force your way into my life, to intrude on my personal business, to make me feel uncomfortable in a place that has been, up until that point, part of my daily routine.

There it is right there, isn't it? That gradual erosion of safety and comfort.

[identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 02:33 am (UTC)(link)
Precisely.

[identity profile] smammers.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
So much word. I don't run into this sort of behavior a lot since I live in a city where we mostly drive everywhere, and because I tend to be kind of oblivious. I'll only realize after the fact that someone leered at me or said something inappropriate. When it does happen, though, it's usually when I am at work. Since I work in retail, men think they can get away with being creepy and/or patronizing.

I am really glad that when you told the other employees about that guy harassing you, they took it seriously and got the manager involved. I would be so mad and embarrassed on behalf of the store if I heard that one of my coworkers had acted like that.

[identity profile] java-fiend.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 07:27 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I tend to think that most of my gender are total douchebags as it is. And the ones that do some of what you're talking about here bear that out. But no all of us do... though I agree that the idiots make all of us look bad.

Sorry you're dealing with this kind of crap.

[identity profile] fourzoas.livejournal.com 2010-06-16 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
*fist pump*

Yeah!

[identity profile] supremegoddess1.livejournal.com 2010-06-17 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Preach.

[identity profile] shinyredtype.livejournal.com 2010-06-17 10:06 pm (UTC)(link)
<3

Seriously, I am TIRED of ALL of that.

[identity profile] lariss.livejournal.com 2010-06-20 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Never has happened to me.

Not once.


Yay, me?