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[livejournal.com profile] cacophonesque was asked a question in her [livejournal.com profile] thebookyoucrew application. The question was:

Please to explain what you think is good about "House of Leaves"? You may NOT use the words/phrases "deconstruction", "meta-ANYTHING", "bold", or "outside-the box".

I am answering it here, because this is one of those things that people have actually asked me about a lot. House of Leaves is one of my favorite books for a lot of reasons, and none of them are the formal efforts put forward in the book. It always strikes me as funny when critics of the book only focus on this part of the story-- because I frankly think that the story in House of Leaves is much stronger.

[livejournal.com profile] shinyredtype asked me a while back if she should read it, specifically focusing on the question of whether the "meta" aspects of the story, and I remember writing this long explanation of why I think it's a beautiful story and how the story-within-a-story aspects worked for me to show how insidious the House was or something, and Kat asked me about the wonky page layouts.

And I was like, oh. I forgot that book had wonky page layouts. Which means maybe it didn't need them.

The formally novel (no pun intended) aspects of the book are not necessary to the story, but I don't think they distract (or detract) from it, either. Because, as a reader, you're meant to be reading texts created by various fictional characters, none of whom are completely sane, I think it makes sense. But I don't want to talk about those. I want to talk about the House.

[livejournal.com profile] quizzicalsphinx will tell you all about how very powerful Haunted House stories can be. Especially if you are talking about Shirley Jackson.

When I was a little girl, I used to have nightmares not about people or monsters, but about places. I used to have a recurring nightmare about the basement of my grandmother's house...which was not the real basement of her real house, but the nightmare basement of her nightmare house. My grandfather was an upholsterer, and the nightmare basement was entirely upholstered in black naugahyde. The black naugahyde had tears in it. If you stepped in one of the tears, you would sink down and down, like falling into quicksand. There was a woman-- a single mother-- who lived in the nightmare basement with her baby. There was also, past the naugahyde room, a wide, empty concrete vault, and at one end of the vault was a river with a boat shaped like a swan. I never saw where the river went.

I also used to have a recurring nightmare about my parents' bathroom. I would go into the bathroom to use it, and the door would shut and lock, and the lights would go out, and a terrible dark power that was probably something like the Echthroi in Madeleine L'Engle's books would descend on me.

The landscapes of my dreams were spatial impossibilities.

Those of you who've talked books with me probably know how I feel about Gaston Bachelard's The Poetics of Space, which is one of my favorite theoretical texts. He talks about how experience characterizes a space and about how spaces take on traits through their use and through our personal relationship to them. It is not a book about writing per se, but I think it has aided me in my writing more than any book about writing that I have read.

I have grown up enamored by the idea of spaces and places as characters. Anyone who is involved in theater or film will tell you how much the right scenery lends to the atmosphere of the story, and how much the wrong scenery can detract. A place-- the right place, written the right way, can be the most powerful character in a story.

That's what the house on Ash Tree Lane is. It is simultaneously a character and a place, and I think that Mark Danielewski does it better here, certainly than Stephen King does with the same premise in Rose Red. (Rose Red is a miniseries about a house that is supposedly "metastasizing," based largely on the story of the Winchester Mystery House but also drawing liberally from Shirley Jackson's The Haunting of Hill House) While similar tropes appear in other haunted house stories, the house is usually affected by some external force-- an angry ghost, the aftershocks of a tragedy. The house is just a vessel for something else, or, in some cases, reflective of the psyches of the people inside it. The House is a character in its own right-- it has feelings, wants, hungers. It reacts. It responds. It entices. It tricks people. It is sentient. It has its own agenda.

That-- the characterization of the House and how the power of its story takes hold on the other characters in the book-- is what I find to be the most profound aspect of the book. People in spaces. Spaces in people.

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Date: 2009-04-16 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Your one-liner didn't happen to involve the phrase "[livejournal.com profile] thebookyoupoo", did it?

Anyway, we had the "scared" discussion a long time ago, when you were like...oh, god, like 14 or 15? I know we discussed The Ring specifically-- the girl crawling out of the TV isn't scary to me because it's not possible. I actually found the horses committing mass suicide in the American version a lot creepier. I think I said to you then that I'm never scared of things that are logical impossibilities. Aliens in chests don't scare me. Human nature is much scarier to me.

of Leaves never struck me as a scary book. co-opting tropes from the horror genre doesn't, to me, necessarily mean something is "scary." It did strike me as an interesting exploration of what can happen in text: that a place can be depicted as a character, that a person can be depicted as a setting...once you are writing, you can attribute traits to things that normally would not go with those things. I think that's the important part of the book for me.

I think one of the problems you discuss also entirely has to do with the context in which you received the book. I got the book as a gift from a friend before the hype. I knew about the book because I was a Poe fan, and Haunted is based on the same recordings of the Danielewskis' father that of Leaves is based on. It hadn't gotten massive pomo-hipster attention at that point, and I didn't have anyone else's response to the book to go on. So there was nothing to be turned off by. As a reader, I've chosen to use the color in the title because it's actually intended to be part of the title, the way the movies Se7en is actually Se7en and not Seven or e e cummings is e e cummings and not E. E. Cummings. There's a difference between a design choice and a title, and the title of the book is of Leaves, not House of Leaves.

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Date: 2009-04-16 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] evilprodigy.livejournal.com
Your color explanation make lots of sense. I admit I'm easily turned off by hype, perhaps to my own detriment -- I resisted reading Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell for the longest time because of all the hype. Then I read it and loved it. I just have some distinctly contrarian urges as a reader.

Ha, I do recall we had this discussion! -- trippy, have we really known each other that long? That's crazy.

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Date: 2009-04-16 09:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] teaberryblue.livejournal.com
Yes! We have known each other since just before your 13th birthday! You needed a permission slip to play in DotG.

I am the same way about hype-- it's a large part of why it took me about three years from the time I first heard of Harry Potter till I actually picked the first book up. And that is largely because I got a rec to read them from a very snooty, pretentious sort of guy who looked down his nose at anything popular.

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Date: 2009-04-17 02:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dragonmagelet.livejournal.com
AH! That's the connection! I've had Haunted since you turned me on to Poe when I was like 13 and then when House of Leaves came out I was super confused. None of the trendy hipster scum people who told me about (how they cool they were for understanding) it knew anything about Poe, and I started thinking that the album came from the book, rather than the two being relatively independent.

I totally agree with you about context. I wasn't really trying to say that I thought the book was pretentious, just people.

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